We need to explore local narratives – A conversation with Gonzalo Lizarralde

By November 16, 2019 Blog, Faculty, Interview

In October, guest professor Gonzalo Lizarralde visited to teach the seminar “Unnatural Disasters – Controversies in Low-Cost Housing and Post-Disaster Reconstruction”. During the seminar, our students explored the connections between social injustices, environmental degradation, low-cost housing, and disasters, and examined the role of low-cost housing and environmental degradation in the creation of disaster vulnerabilities. 

Gonzalo Lizarralde is a specialist in planning, management and evaluation of international architecture projects and the director of the IF Research Group (grif) at the Université de Montréal, which studies the processes related to the planning and development of construction projects. He is the leader of the Disaster Resilience and Sustainable Reconstruction Research Alliance and a founding member of i-Rec, an international network for improving post-disaster reconstruction. 

In a conversation with our student Prachi Metawala, Gonzalo Lizarralde spoke about the need to align environmental issues and social justice, the importance of local knowledge and to hear the voices on the ground, and how debating can help us to challenge ideas that have been taken for granted.

At the start of your career, your research and publications focused on issues such as post-disaster housing including low cost housing and temporary housing. Can you explain how your research agenda changed through time, and why? 

I started my career working in the field of post-disaster reconstruction and also wrote my PhD about this topic. And then I realized that there were strong connections between development and disaster. My initial interest for emergency situations and development after disaster through permanent reconstruction later on shifted more towards the effects of climate change. The latest work of our team, for example, has been concentrating on climate change response, including climate change adaptation in Latin America and the Carribean. Another aspect of my work from the beginning is the understanding of the processes of permanent transformation. So the common thread has been the idea that cities are transformed rapidly by disasters, but also by human action, and to understand those urban transformations over time through processes – processes at the project scale, but also at the level of urban change.  

In your book The Invisible Houses, you argue that architects, urban planners and policy makers can learn most of what they need to know about today’s housing issues from the informal sector. Architecture schools worldwide are still very design-oriented and strongly influenced by the giants in the field such as Le Corbusier, Frank Gehry or more recently Zaha Hadid. But there is a lack of any study or research on informal settlements or housing policies on a regional level. Do you think there is a need for a paradigm shift in education and if so, what should it look like?

I’m not sure if it is a paradigm shift. Certainly, there is a need to expand our research, knowledge and teaching about informal housing, informal sectors and informal urban development. But I am not sure that we should do this by taking away other aspects that are also very important in architectural training. Studying Zaha Hadid and other contemporary architects is still very pertinent, as well as the classical architects that you also mentioned. We need to develop design skills and critical thinking about cities and about space, but we should not incorporate individual aspects by taking away the foundation of what is core architecture understanding. There is a necessity for more graduate studies on these issues. When architects are properly trained on an undergraduate level, then graduate studies like the Master of International Cooperation Sustainable Emergency Architecture can offer a required level of specialisation and explore those subjects of informality and post- disaster reconstruction in a more sophisticated manner. It is important to make undergraduate students aware that those issues are important, so that they develop an interest in pursuing additional studies focussing on these topics. This is why multidisciplinary programs, like the one you have here at UIC Barcelona, are crucial. 

Kids play among piles of rubble in the area of Delmas 32, Port au Prince. Photo Marco Dormino

In your literature on post-disaster reconstruction projects in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, you write about the failure of the ‘Build back better’ attempts by the aiding nations and the connections between the current disaster coping capacity of affected countries and their political and economic conditions. You also emphasise the need to adjust the climate change discourse to the specific context of developing countries, and to associate the climate agenda and the social agenda. Often people will tell you that they need “bread for tomorrow”, they do not care about what is going to happen in 2050. How do we integrate basic needs responses to long term adaptive paths? Considering the huge gap existing between policies and communities’ real necessities, how can we succeed in creating conditions in which people can live lives they have reason to value?

Just to be clear, low income communities in developing countries do think about the future and what is going to happen in 2050. But their priorities might sometimes be different than those of agencies or scholars. For example, when we work with informal communities, we often hear the residents of informal settlement say: “We are sending our kids to school, that is the way to guarantee that the next generation will escape poverty.” That is also a way of thinking about the future. But you are right in pointing out that environmental aspects and social justice often do not correlate when it comes to future planning. And this is where the two agendas – the environmental and climate change agenda and the social justice agenda – enter in contradiction, because, as you said, for many people the urgency of having something to eat tomorrow tops the urgency of thinking about increases in sea level rise in 2050. So this is where different ways of thinking about the future enter into conflict and if we do not align those two agendas, both of them will most likely fail. We need to understand that the fight against climate change needs to be connected to the fight for social justice. And for many members of informal communities in Latin America and the Caribbean, where we undertake our research, the fight for social justice is tied to the idea of preserving the environment and adapting to climate change. But it is correct that there is a gap between policies from top-down and the expectations and needs of the residents of low income communities, for example. And we will need to articulate both in a way that they respond to the interests, expectations and objectives of the stakeholders at large. We will have to integrate our interest to preserve the environment with the struggle for social justice, for employment, for food, for reducing inequalities, for increasing living conditions for the poorest sectors of society. And only if we are able to do that, we will have a chance of succeeding. 

In relation to this, a professor from UCL recently launched a project in Latin America about Urban StoryTelling – where communities can share and transfer local knowledge through a platform, in order to bridge community and disaster and climate resilience. How far do you think local knowledge should drive the processes? What is the risk of maladaptive practices, driven by biased, group centric, unsustainable practices or power dissymmetry?

This is a very good question, because disaster research and practice has been largely influenced by ideas and concepts that evolved in developed countries, let’s call it the Global North, and usually applied without proper contextualization in low income countries – or the Global South. And this has exacerbated the differences between the two. And with regard to disasters, disaster studies, disaster practices, when we export these ideas from the North and implement them in the South,this often happens at the expense of local knowledge that is crucial to understand what is going on. And yes, I certainly argue that we need to be able to find other references and other narratives that can help us fight climate change, for example,  and that will also support disaster risk reduction. We need to explore what those local narratives are. And I certainly agree with my colleagues from UCL, and many other universities as well, that there is a need to hear the voices from the ground, in order to integrate the climate agenda with the social justice agenda. And unfortunately, we are not always doing this to the extent that we should. We sometimes use frameworks, concepts and ideas from the North to deal with problems in the South, without realizing that maybe we should start exploring these disasters, inequalities, and effects of climate change by listening to the communities themselves, and the social groups that we want to benefit. Therefore, I would certainly agree with my colleagues that a better integration of local narratives is one of the key aspects of the disaster risk reduction agenda in the coming years. It is something we focus on in our adaptation project for Latin America and the Caribbean. And it is certainly also required in other parts of the world, in Africa, in Asia. When we start revealing those narratives, we understand that there is a different way of reading the problems that we sometimes underestimate in our projects.

Our Master program prepares architects and other urban specialists to develop and rebuild communities affected by rapid urbanization, poverty, conflict and natural disasters. Internal and cross-border migration is leading to an increase in informal settlements – especially in regards to urban migrants. In the face of rapid and uncontrolled migration, the expansion of informal settlements and the heavy costs of upgrading these, what strategies would you recommend to our students interested in tackling issues such as housing for migrants?

What I really appreciated this week when teaching at UIC Barcelona, is the multidisciplinarity and the multiplicity of different positions represented among the students. And by bringing together people from different backgrounds, disciplines, countries, and frameworks, we are able to create more sophisticated readings of problems and eventually more sophisticated and hopefully more useful solutions as well. We had someone from India telling stories from India, and at the same time people from Mexico, Costa Rica, Sweden and Canada. All of this not only makes it more interesting, or more feasible to find solutions, but also generates a much higher capacity for change. A multidisciplinary approach like this is required. More research is certainly needed as well. We need more knowledge – knowledge developed by people who know the context. If the students in the course reveal the knowledge from their own countries that is tacit, or has not been explored, or remains invisible to the majority, and bring it back here and exchange with others, it is enriching for everybody. And those are the type of things that usually help us to understand the situations, and hopefully find better solutions as well. 

You are the moderator of a series of online debates that challenge and examine common controversies in the housing, urban development, and post-disaster reconstruction fields. These online debates are a valuable tool for knowledge sharing and engaging both professionals and practitioners around the world. You are also using debates as a teaching method in our course to argue specific aspects of development and post-disaster reconstruction. What motivations led to the creation of this online platform and what have been the most significant and surprising outcomes of the debates so far? To what degree do you consider the ability of producing a convincing argument, exploring complex issues, and mediating an important skill for architects, urban planners and decision makers in general and professionals working in the humanitarian field specifically?

One of my main concerns is that we are perpetrating the use of what I call prefabricated frameworks of ethical reasoning. You can also call them paradigms, or slogans that we disseminate among students of architecture, urban planning, and design professionals. For example, we teach sustainability and sustainable development without challenging its value or its pertinence in a certain context. We do this with resilience, with community participation, or with innovation. This is how the idea for the debates was born. We take concepts such as sustainability, resilience, land titles, or innovation in housing construction, and we challenge them through debates and explore whether they have an intrinsic value or not. We try to position the pro and cons, just to polarize the debate a little. But the aim is to create a more sophisticated reflection of those concepts by finding common ground, by finding the main differences that we need to include, and also by discovering which concepts are not essential. The debates have also become a teaching method. I run debates with my students at the university in Montreal, and also here at UIC Barcelona. It forces all of us to think critically about ideas. For example, sustainability: we deconstruct the idea, then we build something new to understand the relationship between humans and ecosystems. These practices also remind us of the importance of a specific judgment and a contextual judgment. Instead of having solutions that can be applied everywhere, we realize that solutions are only pertinent in certain contexts, and sometimes, some solutions do not have any intrinsic value at all. The value depends on the perception of stakeholders, and the relevance to the context. And I think this is very important nowadays, because every five years there is a new slogan. We jump on it without thinking about it critically. And by doing that, we are failing to adapt solutions to the context. We are failing to see other understandings of subjects emerging from the ground. We are not really creating a social debate. We need more social debates and spaces, where we can debate and look at these controversies, unpack them, and create new understandings. We hope we have unpacked a lot during the debates that we have conducted here during the program. How would you conclude the outcome of these debates, among us, a group of multidisciplinary students?

I loved it. I think it was fantastic. It was very intense because we only had four days. But we were still able to delve deep into several issues. The research was very pertinent, we gathered interesting new data to feed these discussions. And I think it was a learning exercise for all of us. I learned a lot of things here in these debates. I hope you guys also learned a lot. And it also reminds us how our perspectives of the same thing can be so different. And respecting those differences is important, and recognizing through empathy that the other person can have a valid argument as well. I may not agree with that argument at the beginning but I can respect it and start understanding what that argument means from the other side of the debate. I think we had some very successful debates this week.

 

Images: Prachi Metawala @place_displaced

Feature Image: United Nations Photo, Marco Dormino, Earthquake Debris Continues to Clog Port-au-Prince Streets, Creative Commons Licensed

 

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